Teekay – the buzz from Seeking Alpha

There has been a considerable amount of bandwidth on the future outcome of Teekay and Teekay Offshore on the Seeking Alpha channel.

When you see this much bullishness on a public forum, watch out. The “news” (if you want to call it that) has already been baked in.

There is also a material amount of mis-information in some of the analysis presented on Seeking Alpha, including the J Mintzmyer analysis which got most of the flurry of TK/TOO posting started. There’s no point for me to argue about the fine details of the analysis here.

My original post about Teekay’s 2020 unsecured bonds of April 2016 still applies today – at a current price of 90.5 cents on the dollar they are in the lower part of my price range but not a wildly good buy as there is real risk involved. My initial purchase point was below 70 cents on the dollar back in early 2016. My only update to my April 2016 post is that I have long since offloaded my Teekay Offshore equity position – my optimism back then about TOO was considerably over-stated and when my own modelling changed, my price targets subsequently changed and I bailed out.

TK’s inherent value is primarily focused on their TGP entity (Mintzmyer got this correct, but grossly over-states the value of the company). Most of the discounting of TK unsecured debt’s value is that they are likely to offer guarantees to future TOO and/or TGP financings that would make it difficult for TK unsecured debtholders to realize value in the event of a Chapter 11 equivalent event (this would involve cross-defaults between entities and be incredibly messy to resolve). There is currently cross-default potential with TOO’s debt complex, not to mention that TK has made unsecured loans to TOO to bridge TOO’s liquidity situation. My general expectation is that there is a gigantic incentive for the controlling shareholder (Resolute Investments) to avoid a default scenario and would instead opt for a dilutive recapitalization instead, which would of course render TK unsecured debt maturing at par. I still think this partial recapitalization scenario is probable.

TK and TGP have announced dividends and distributions, respectively. The TK dividend surprised me somewhat as they are obligated to pay dividends by raising an equal amount in equity capital until a certain debt is paid off. TOO has been silent and they will likely be announcing suspensions in conjunction with some financing announcement in the upcoming weeks.

My assessment at present is that the only people that will be coming out of this with money are the debt holders. Such is life when oil is at US$45/barrel.

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Hi,

I see that in July 2016 when the TK bonds were trading at 90.5, you were bullish with a large position and expectations that the bonds would move up beyond par. They did eventually breach par (slightly). Are you no longer long TK bonds? Also, why did you like the bonds so much in July 2016 but not as much today at the same price? Primarily because of the Arendal loan issue?

Finally, I’d be interested in what you thought was wrong in Mintzmyer’s analysis.

Thanks!

The action is crazy. It’s multiple standard deviations from normal. I don’t know what to really make of it. There’s clearly been a large seller distributing shares through a program — looks like he’s now met a buyer of size.

What I find crazier is that TK equity and TOO equity/debt/preferred are all up well off lows — yet, TK bonds continue to be pressed down like someone’s got their thumb on the scale.

And, the bonds are sr. to every one of the securities mentioned. They’re at the top of the publicly traded portion of the capital stack.

One of the reasons I’ve held fire on adding anymore to my position is that I think there’s a good chance the TOO preferreds will get suspended as part of a refi deal. That will crash the preferreds and while I generally want to stay away from TOO, the crashed preferreds could present a good setup. There may be an impact on the TK bonds as well even though it’s entirely credit positive from their perspective.

If a refi/jv happens for TOO (which I strongly think it will happen even if it involves private equity — they’re not going bk over the Arendal) and nothing more than the common divs get cut, the bonds really should move higher on that news. However, I tend to think there will be a lag between the news and bond price reaction.

I think those 1MM+ trades mopped up the supply that was out there. The bonds bottomed out almost immediately after that. Rising equity doesn’t hurt either.

Yeah, I kind of wish I had added back at 88.5 but we could very well get a second lick at this thing when TOO preferreds are announced. Either that, or TOO preferred could become attractive although there’s a lot more risk there.

I think you’re right that someone knows something. Right before the Arendal news hit, the stock price broke through key support levels. Someone knew and was selling. However, given the action this time around in the common, it could be the inside news is good.

Wow, that’s really interesting. Obviously a very bold move by the party doing the shorting. Would also explain the seemingly limitless offer that’s reappeared in spite of a well supported equity price. I’d assume the party shorting is betting on a catalyst and the most likely catalyst is the outcome of TOO’s financing shortfall. Thanks for the heads up.

Sacha,

Paid to lend debt instrument – which broker pass through that rebate? Interactive Brokers?

I would have thought shorts would be covering on the move from 5.25 to 7.75. Seems like that move represents actual accumulation as opposed to just short covering.

Yeah, there’s no way the action is justified without the actual release of positive news. Could be setup for a sell the news reaction even if there is good news.

Interesting article:

Teekay Offshore – Refinancing Risks Appear Overblown $TK
http://www.seekingalpha.com/article/4090223

Looks like Teekay parent will survived.

Up 13% premarket. Wish I had bought some TK common when the bullish article on SA came out at 5.50. Bonds should go to par

Alls well that ends well when it comes to bonds maturing at par. I thought the outcome was 50/50 in terms of whether there could be another spike lower on news that would create another buying opportunity.

So, I was mostly holding pat with my position until further clarity. However, after yesterday’s SeekingAlpha article by Downtown Investment Advisory I decided to top off my position with another 25k at 90.7. Timing worked out well!

Would appreciate your thoughts on the preferreds for a tiny E&P that’s actually a decent sized position for me. Gastar (GST A and B). They came back from the brink after the crash in oil prices by getting a huge liquidity injection from Ares Capital Mgmt. Ares owns 26% of the common and 100% of the firm’s $412M in debt. The preferred A is what I like and it tradess with a yield of 12% at 18.

GST owns prime land in the STACK/SCOOP area and they should be able to drill wells with breakevens in the mid $30s for oil prices. There have been good results on the small number of wells that have already been drilled (IRRs like 40-50%) but much of their reserves remain unproven. However, this is changing with the drilling of 60 wells to be completed by the end of this year which will prove up a lot of acres. If you can sell the company for $12,000/acre (not unusual for land to go for 20K in STACK), the common is worth like $2. However, it’s the preferreds I like better which I think are worth par.

@Landlord: “Under the agreement governing the Term Loan and the indenture governing the Notes, cash dividend payments are permitted through July 31, 2018 contingent upon the absence of any defaults. From and after August 1, 2018, dividend payments on the outstanding Series A and Series B Preferred Stock are permitted subject to the further condition that we are in compliance with a fixed charge coverage ratio of not less than 1.0 to 1.0 from August 1, 2018, to, but excluding May 1, 2019 and of not less than 1.25 to 1.0 from and after May 1, 2019.”

There’s also a minimum liquidity requirement for the preferreds to get paid out. Looks like Ares (looking at the cash flows) is sucking every penny out of this company (which does make money before financing charges), so the risk appears to be appropriately priced (on first glance) for the preferred shares. Clearly if oil goes up then this company looks better and more secure. I haven’t done any balance sheet analysis (you suggest an asset sale would fetch a higher value) which would favour the equity in that case…

This company is one that really takes some getting to know to understand. They were originally a gas shale player in the Utica (West Virginia) play. They did great by buying unproven land cheap and proving it as very productive but the collapse of NG prices ruined the economics of production. Eastern shale gas was decimated and trading at $1 due to totally insufficient pipeline infrastructure.

So they sold that land at unfortunately the bottom of the NG market and used proceeds to buy unproven land in the STACK play in Oklahoma (second most lucrative play in North America next to the Permian basin in TX). They got it cheap and preliminary results show the land could actually be quite valuable. However, then the oil market collapsed, financing dried up and they had no money to prove their assets with drilling.

They almost went bk and I bought preferreds at 3.50 in 3/2016. Ares then came in and refi-ed all their debt and imjected a bunch of equity in them so they have the money needed to drill and prove their land. Preferreds rocketed up to 22.50, I made the mistake of not selling and they’ve pulled back to 17.50 on the pullback in oil (but there’s no pullback in oil!)

Basically, GST is a pure play on whether their drilling is successful or are busts. Sure oil prices matter to a degree because their wells won’t be profitable below $35 (but no North American shale/sand is profitable at those prices). But basically it’s a play on drilling success. If they can achieve IRRs of 30-40% on the money spent drilling, the common will do well. If they get IRRs in the 15-30% range the preferreds are par and the common is $1-2. Below 15% and debt servicing is tight.

Preliminary results are in the 30-50% range (based on May 2017 strip prices) and we’ll know a lot more in six months.

The end goal of drilling is to prove that an inventory of 1000 wells exists on their land and the wells can achieve 30% IRRs. If they can prove that, then Ares and all other capital holders do well.

30% is crazy. Perhaps Resolute and Cobas have said they will no longer lend out shares to short sellers.

I haven’t sold my TK bonds. My price target is a YTM equal or lower than then the TOO 2019 bonds. Shorts will have to cover before rationality is restored to pricing.